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Re: So why need a seperate entrants licence
Posted by 'SimonS' on 03 Nov 2010 @ 11:12

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It's the sort of thing that comes from pressure applied to a committee using some variant of 'rights'.

So, it isn't 'right' that an innocent party can be punished for the actions of someone else in their team.

For example, some time ago at a national event an (adult) mechanic trashed a club facility and it was the (adult) driver who carried the can which forced him to withdraw from the event. That would seem to be rare, but increasingly adults seem to get very involved in their child's driving, to the point of abusing other drivers, parents and officials.

If one took it to the National Court, I have no doubt that a lawyer could come up with a good reason why punishing a minor for the words/actions of an adult was a miscarriage of justice and not enforceable and someone might already know of an adult who has taken or threatened such action rather than settle for the child's ambitions being thwarted.

So how do you make the adult responsible for their own actions? At the moment the parent or Guardian is not the 'team leader', the driver is, unless under the charge of an Entrant. Equally an entrant has responsibility for everyone associated with their driver, including parents. We have all seen a situation where it is the 'other' parent causing the trouble, with the signing parent unable to control them or not even present. And I would think that any entrant can or does get the parents to sign a contract that includes their own behaviour as a clause.

As for the price? When the accountants tell me that it costs an average Ł50 just to process an invoice through many companies, I guess Ł80 might be close to the actual cost of processing the paperwork for an entrant.

Another issue might be that this is becoming a general problem for the MSA and that the same solution is already in place in cars. Although I suspect that in cars most junior drivers are already with an entrant, I cannot remember many people entering privateer cars in the junior classes.

I agree that it would seem that the cheap solution might be to make the parent or guardian an 'entrant' for the day, shifting the burden of responsibility from the minor driving by adding a clause to the SRs, but it still does not resolve the problem of maintaining a record of the behaviour associated with a particular driver's 'team'. After all, some people get a reputation for their regular behaviour, ferociously defending the 'ills' done to their driver, while others are known to demand that their driver knocks others off the track, illegal behaviour.

How does one control those aberrant but admitedly few, without putting in place a system that has to be paid for by all?

Message Thread:

Entrants licence costs for next year by 'johnc' (01 Nov 2010 @ 17:38)

Yet again the MSA shoots themselves. by 'AlfieMoon' (01 Nov 2010 @ 18:04)

Re: Yet again the MSA shoots themselves. by 'Graham S' (01 Nov 2010 @ 18:09)

Sorry 2012 cant read by 'johnc' (01 Nov 2010 @ 18:18)

Re: Sorry 2012 cant read by 'michaelg36' (01 Nov 2010 @ 22:44)

Graham S read this carefully too. by 'AlfieMoon' (01 Nov 2010 @ 23:54)

Re: Graham S read this carefully too. by 'Danlee' (02 Nov 2010 @ 13:23)

Danlee, seeing as the abkc doesn't issue.... by 'alanrr' (02 Nov 2010 @ 14:01)

Read the newsletters by 'Graham S' (02 Nov 2010 @ 14:39)

Hi Graham, I never said it came from the abkc. by 'alanrr' (02 Nov 2010 @ 15:48)

Re: Hi Graham, I never said it came from the abkc. by 'MattScott' (02 Nov 2010 @ 16:20)

One way communication by 'Minisueg' (02 Nov 2010 @ 19:47)

Re: One way communication by 'Graham S' (02 Nov 2010 @ 23:25)

So why need a seperate entrants licence by 'johnc' (03 Nov 2010 @ 7:00)

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