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Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge
Posted by 'Jasper' on 01 Nov 2012 @ 10:12


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It's not that people necessarily want to change the rules to suit themselves, what I think frustrates people most is the lack of clarity and transparency from the powers that be, and lack of clear, concise information to help encourage newcomers into the sport in the first place.

For example, the MSA always publish proposed regulation changes on their website, now lets be honest, how many of us actually bother to go read them and provide feedback to the MSA, not many I bet, the question then is why not?

Why doesn't someone from (preferably) the MSA or ABkC make a post on here giving a link to the proposed regulation change (if it's pertinent to karting), at least that way it has been brought to our attention, and we would have better opportunity to raise objections and points about it etc.
It would take someone a minute to make a post as per above, they don't need to answer any questions on the proposed change here, simply provide a link to it, end of.

There is to my mind, seemingly a lack of 'inclusion' and karters feel steam-rollered into new regulations that they knew nothing about, and often can't see the reason for the introduction of in the first place.
Clearly, the current system, where we are meant to be made aware of upcoming changes coming though our clubs, for what ever reason, doesn't seem to be working (and that isn't a slight on those who run clubs - see Richys post further up the thread), so if the current way of doing things doesn't work, then it needs changing.

What about the possible use of social media, particularly so when there is a regulation change in the offing, why don't the MSA have a forum where the subject can be discussed, it would almost certainly need moderating, but that's a minor point, allow the forum to be open for a set period for comment and discussion and then close it again, repeat as and when required.

Many people use the likes of Facebook these days why doesn't the MSA and/or ABkC have a Facebook page, where they can actually interact directly with the very people they claim to represent.
Of course it runs the risk of being a channel for abuse towards both, and would need careful moderation again, but not impossible.

As someone else has said in this thread, I actually don't mind seeing my GP once a year for a medical, but why has no one from the MSA actually bothered to EXPLAIN to us why it is needed?
If it is a condition of their insurance cover that over 40's have a medical every year, fine, just say so, I'll stop questioning it then.

If the powers that be actually ANSWERED some of the questions that keep cropping up on a regular basis, then at least those that raise those questions would know the precise reason behind the rule, and it's not simply a "because I say so" attitude.

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The future of karting in the UK  by 'deangwigan'   (29 Oct 2012 @ 22:05)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'simog'   (29 Oct 2012 @ 22:38)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Dunny'   (29 Oct 2012 @ 22:42)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Chris34'   (29 Oct 2012 @ 23:10)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Racing393'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 12:44)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'davidmc'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 12:54)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Racing393'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 13:09)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'stemorton46'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 17:21)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'buzzinrussell'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 12:06)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Phitzy2'   (03 Nov 2012 @ 9:34)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'PennilessFather'   (29 Oct 2012 @ 23:26)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Mullac'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 0:40)
Re: Mullac  by 'Chris34'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 2:11)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'jamydonut'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 21:13)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Phitzy2'   (03 Nov 2012 @ 9:37)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Birel'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 7:24)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Bucky'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 8:26)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'kai'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 8:37)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'sciroccokarter'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 9:34)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'buzzinrussell'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 12:11)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'RocketMan46'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 12:42)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Racing393'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 13:04)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'kai'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 12:57)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'davidmc'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 13:02)
Re: The future of karting in the UK - Clarity  by 'deangwigan'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 14:26)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Iwan'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 13:46)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Jasper'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 13:59)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'BombHead'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 15:05)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Jasper'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 16:40)
Re: Jasper  by 'buzzinrussell'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 15:09)
Re: Jasper  by 'Jasper'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 16:49)
Re: Jasper  by 'buzzinrussell'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 13:35)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Mullac'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 15:37)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'kai'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 16:07)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'bodger'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 19:49)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'racingjase'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 21:55)
The future of karting in the UK  by 'positivekarter'   (30 Oct 2012 @ 23:41)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Reg'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 0:26)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Jasper'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 8:51)
jasper The future of karting in the UK  by 'positivekarter'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 14:26)
Re: jasper The future of karting in the UK  by 'Jasper'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 14:39)
Re: jasper The future of karting in the UK  by 'Discobob'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 16:46)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Jasper'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 8:53)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'PennilessFather'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 1:02)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'richydehav'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 9:48)
Re: anybody know how to set up an E-Petition ?  by 'buzzinrussell'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 15:36)
Re: anybody know how to set up an E-Petition ?  by 'richydehav'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 16:16)
Re: anybody know how to set up an E-Petition ?  by 'buzzinrussell'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 16:32)
Re: anybody know how to set up an E-Petition ?  by 'SimonS'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 22:35)
Re: anybody know how to set up an E-Petition ?  by 'Tricky12'   (05 Nov 2012 @ 15:37)
Apathy perhaps?  by 'colin'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 9:40)
Indikart association?  by 'BanzaiBoy'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 9:55)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'Jasper'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 10:17)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'Jasper'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 10:22)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'kai'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 10:28)
What were the best years  by 'RocketMan46'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 10:51)
Re: What were the best years  by 'Iwan'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 13:47)
Re: What were the best years  by 'mccarro'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 16:57)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'cjm2009'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 11:04)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'dynamax'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 11:24)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'VanDiemen'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 12:11)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'michaelg36'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 14:40)
Re: Apathy perhaps?  by 'Traxtar'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 15:28)
OK OK So lets discuss how to fix it...  by 'deangwigan'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 15:54)
Re: OK OK So lets discuss how to fix it...  by 'Berniewade'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 16:47)
Re: OK OK So lets discuss how to fix it...  by 'richydehav'   (31 Oct 2012 @ 18:40)
Re: OK OK So lets discuss how to fix it...  by 'Chris34'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 1:04)
Re: OK OK So lets discuss how to fix it...  by 'SimonS'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 2:12)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'TCL'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 6:49)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'NJB'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 8:35)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'Jasper'  << You are here!
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'Aquila'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 10:19)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'richardmcculloch69'   (09 Nov 2012 @ 12:10)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'SimonS'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 13:28)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'Racing393'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 13:56)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'davidmc'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 14:33)
Re: Information  by 'Graham S'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 15:37)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'Jasper'   (02 Nov 2012 @ 9:15)
Re: Whinge, whinge, whinge  by 'racingjase'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 18:57)
Re: No trace  by 'Graham S'   (03 Nov 2012 @ 10:25)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'RichardB'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 16:23)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Racing393'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 16:43)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'colin'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 17:32)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'davidmc'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 17:59)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Traxtar'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 19:41)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'stemorton46'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 21:36)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Traxtar'   (02 Nov 2012 @ 15:21)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'buzzinrussell'   (02 Nov 2012 @ 16:20)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'davidmc'   (02 Nov 2012 @ 16:58)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'SimonS'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 22:19)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'Chris34'   (02 Nov 2012 @ 0:36)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'mickypea'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 17:40)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'buzzinrussell'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 19:21)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'NickyW'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 19:32)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'stemorton46'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 19:44)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'buzzinrussell'   (01 Nov 2012 @ 20:08)
Re: The future of karting in the UK  by 'stevehf2'   (02 Nov 2012 @ 16:31)

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