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Posted by 'ScoobyScene' on 23 Sep 2008 @ 17:02


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At a meeting last month with only 4 drivers in our class my boy was attracting unwanted attention from 2 drivers who felt an "outsider" to "their" local track had no right to be quicker than they !

All sorts of sillyness resulted in my approaching the COC (Mr Brian Lord) to avail him of the potential situation for the final race of the day....I asked, pleaded, if he would speak with the FOUR drivers and basically mark ALL of their cards so as to make sure the final race was safe and sound....

He promised he would do this as he had noticed several unwanted incidents both on and off the track and thanked me accordingly.

He DID NOT speak with the drivers and the final was a complete joke !

2 drivers worked together with the slower one blocking, weaving for ALL to see to the point of holding his brake on up the straight directly in front of my boy and the 4th driver....this continued for 2 more laps until my son through frustration went for a manouvre that didnt work out putting himself and the "rouge" driver off circuit....my boy was black flagged !

On sitting down with the COC it was proven that the "rouge" driver was over a second slower than his " friend " and had indeed been holding up the 2 remaining drivers BUT it was MY boys actions of trying to get past which resulted in the black flag incident.

No answer was given as to why my request to sit down and talk with the drivers was given....

No apology...

No reasoning...

Just punishment.

I appealed and put my money down.

I lost the appeal and my money.

By now I had stayed 3hrs longer than expected.

We could of course have appealed even further....we didn't.

We WONT go back to that track again and my respect AND confidence in THAT particular COC isnt very high.

I don't know what the answer is or how better we could've managed the situation APART from asking my boy NOT to race in the final so as to avoid a "situation".

As Ian mentions, punishing a British Champion or a "name" spreads the word....anyone else seems not to have the desired effect.

Regards

Chris

Message Thread:

What is the point............  by 'maxdad'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 10:45)
Advised not to do so?  by 'SteveC'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 11:01)
Re: Advised not to do so?  by 'maxdad'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 11:06)
And the exact words were?  by 'SteveC'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 11:12)
Re: Advised not to do so?  by 'kartcollector'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 20:16)
Re: What is the point............  by 'RotaxMax22'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 11:14)
Re: What is the point............  by 'wildcard'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 14:39)
Re: What is the point............  by 'StepTZR250'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 15:09)
Re: What is the point............  by 'Aztech'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 15:14)
A bit of contact is OK..........  by 'FilW'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 15:22)
'Bud'??????  by 'itpro'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 16:13)
Re: 'Bud'??????  by 'RoadRat'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 16:23)
Re: 'Bud'??????  by 'WillDendy87'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 16:44)
Will Dendy 87  by 'michaelg36'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 19:11)
Difficult for both sides.......  by 'ScoobyScene'  << You are here!
Re: Difficult for both sides.......And I thought  by 'NealC'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 18:50)
Re: Difficult for both sides.......And I thought  by 'frag10'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 18:53)
Re: Difficult for both sides.......And I thought  by 'ScoobyScene'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 23:18)
At least 3 officials don't agree with your version  by 'SteveC'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 19:02)
Re: At least 3 officials don't agree with your ver  by 'Andreasdad'   (23 Sep 2008 @ 21:38)
Re: At least 3 officials don't agree with your ver  by 'stevenw'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 0:16)
Re: At least 3 officials don't agree with your ver  by 'broke'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 0:32)
Re: At least 3 officials don't agree with your ver  by 'KenE'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 3:41)
Certainly the CoC is in charge of the meeting!  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 11:41)
Re: Certainly the CoC is in charge of the meeting!  by 'richydehav'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 12:29)
Usually black flags are only used where a CoC is..  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 18:10)
And that what the appeal system is for!  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 11:15)
Re: At least 3 officials don't agree with your ver  by 'kartcollector'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 7:27)
Not sure Steven, but I have seen both yours and  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 11:14)
Steve C  by 'tweaker'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 22:10)
Re: Steve C  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:22)
ps it was response to your sons attack!  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:50)
Re: Steve C  by 'tweaker'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 18:02)
Re: Steve C  by 'NJB'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 18:15)
Re: Steve C  by 'tweaker'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 19:18)
Mr Welsh and Steven!  by 'SteveC'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 21:47)
Re: Mr Welsh and Steven!  by 'tweaker'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 23:42)
I was not aware you did MSA meetings!  by 'SteveC'   (27 Sep 2008 @ 0:06)
I will clarify one thing for you tho'!  by 'SteveC'   (27 Sep 2008 @ 0:41)
Re: I was not aware you did MSA meetings!  by 'tweaker'   (27 Sep 2008 @ 0:45)
Supply contact details and I will.......  by 'SteveC'   (27 Sep 2008 @ 9:54)
Re: Supply contact details and I will.......  by 'tweaker'   (27 Sep 2008 @ 10:00)
Thank you.  by 'SteveC'   (27 Sep 2008 @ 10:14)
You're right!  by 'SteveC'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 21:41)
Re: Not sure Steven, but I have seen both yours an  by 'stevenw'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 22:39)
No Steven, I'm quite willing to be pleasantly.....  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:31)
ps I rarely do non MSA, so our paths are not.....  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 10:04)
Re: No Steven, I'm quite willing to be pleasantly.  by 'stevenw'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 20:15)
You're right this isn't the time nor the place!  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 22:13)
Sorry but it would be un professional to discuss  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 11:09)
Re: Sorry but it would be un professional to discu  by 'RoadRat'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 12:49)
Re: Sorry but it would be un professional to discu  by 'kartcollector'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 17:14)
As I said retaliation is usually obvious, both on  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 18:13)
And that's what the protest system is for!  by 'SteveC'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 18:17)
Re: And that's what the protest system is for!  by 'RoadRat'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 21:16)
I can see the problem at Long Circuit  by 'michaelg36'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 22:51)
Re: I can see the problem at Long Circuit  by 'John'   (24 Sep 2008 @ 23:29)
Re: I can see the problem at Long Circuit  by 'michaelg36'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 1:09)
Re: I can see the problem at Long Circuit  by 'John'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 8:28)
Flag marshals if doing their job right  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:44)
Yes we do have a bigger problem and this is why!  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:34)
Re: And that's what the protest system is for!  by 'bertie77'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:51)
Penalties are also dealing with it after.....  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 9:58)
Re: Penalties are also dealing with it after.....  by 'bertie77'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 10:36)
The reality Bertie is...................  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 10:43)
Re: Steve, the reality is...................  by 'John'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 12:31)
Re: John - surely the protest supports the officia  by 'richydehav'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 12:57)
Re: Richydehav  by 'John'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 14:20)
I believe all incidents seen by officials.....  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 13:50)
Re: I believe all incidents seen by officials.....  by 'John'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 14:27)
Yes you're right, that is the exception!  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 14:40)
Just an addition tho'!  by 'SteveC'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 14:43)
Re: Just an addition tho'!  by 'RoadRat'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 20:52)
Re: Just an addition tho'!  by 'DevonHawker'   (25 Sep 2008 @ 23:12)
Re: Just an addition tho'!  by 'richydehav'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 7:29)
We live in an era where you have to.......  by 'SteveC'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 8:09)
Everyone has a right to comment!  by 'SteveC'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 8:07)
Re: Everyone has a right to comment!  by 'QuickOldTimer'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 11:55)
Re: Everyone has a right to comment!  by 'andrewf'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 13:07)
Re: I believe all incidents seen by officials.....  by 'KyleReece'   (26 Sep 2008 @ 13:42)

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